Why Christians Will Burn In Hell

Of course, as an atheist, I do not believe in hell. So, clearly I believe no one will burn in it. However, by their own religious beliefs, it is easy to show that Christians are not following their Bible and will thus “burn in hell” forever and ever with fire and brimstone and gnashing of teeth and all the rest.

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Background

First, let me point out that Christianity is founded on both the Old and New Testaments. Most Christians seem to know this, but like to forget it for most of the time. However, the Ten Commandments come from the Old Testament, not the New.

This guy, who seems to need a constant and permanent reminder not to fuck dudes, knows that Christians must follow Leviticus, an Old Testament book.

Unfortunately, while this guy was busy trying to remind himself about Leviticus 18:22, he forgot that one chapter later, Leviticus 19:28 says, “Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor imprint any marks upon you: I am the LORD.”

So, this guy thinks he must break one of God’s laws to remind himself of another. I don’t think God will be happy with that. (However, to be fair, since I don’t believe in any gods, I also do not think God will be unhappy with it.) That said, someone who believes that homosexuals will go to hell for breaking Leviticus 18:22 must also believe that people with tattoos will go to hell for breaking Leviticus 19:28. In fact, one might argue that since getting a tattoo is a choice and sexuality is largely genetic, those with tattoos are more likely to burn in hell forever and ever with gnashing of teeth than homosexuals. But, that’s irrelevant. Clearly both homosexuals and tattooees are in violation of Leviticus.

The point is that Christians still do claim to be following the Bible, including the Old Testament. They put up 10 Commandments monuments. Many oppose same sex marriage on religious grounds. And many like to cite Genesis as the story of the beginning of the universe and our species.

Despite the fact that I believe the Big Bang Theory explains the beginning of our universe and the Big Bong Theory explains the beginning of religion (as in what the hell were these guys smoking when they wrote that shit?), I will point out the very many ways in which Christians choose to ignore biblical law every day and will thus “burn in hell”. And, it won’t be just the idiot gay man who tattooed one line of Leviticus on his shoulder as a reminder despite the admonition against tattoos in the same book of the Bible.

Graven Images

This is an actual commandment. It’s a biggie. Exodus 20:3-4 states the following.

3 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
4 thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;

Some Christians merely worship a cross. Yes, don’t deny it. You pray toward a cross. You probably bow before the cross. If you’re a Catholic or any of the sects with ornate churches and altars, you kneel before all sorts of graven images, the Virgin Mary, Jesus (dead on the cross and covered with ketchup, yecch!), saints, etc.

You’re going to burn.

Not only are these saints and the Virgin Mary and even Jesus NOT the great god Yahweh, they are graven images. Further, as I just alluded to, Jesus, Mary, the saints, angels, etc., are all very much NOT God, see below. Praying to them is a violation of the first commandment, Exodus 20:2

2 I am the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

Please feel free to post the section of the New Testament that revokes this commandment. But, I think you won’t find one.

Oh, and for anyone who wishes to discuss the definition of graven image

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/graven+image

graven image – noun
an idol.

World English Dictionary
graven image — n
chiefly Bible a carved image used as an idol

or idol

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idol?s=t

idol – noun
1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.
2. Bible.
a. an image of a deity other than God.
b. the deity itself.

3. any person or thing regarded with blind admiration, adoration, or devotion: Madame Curie had been her childhood idol.
4. a mere image or semblance of something, visible but without substance, as a phantom.
5. a figment of the mind; fantasy.

World English Dictionary
idol (ˈaɪd ə l) — n
1. a material object, esp a carved image, that is worshipped as a god
2. Christianity, Judaism any being (other than the one God) to which divine honour is paid

3. a person who is revered, admired, or highly loved

There Is No Trinity

I know. You’ve been lied to about this all of your life. You’re going to have a really hard time believing this one. Unfortunately, it’s true. Worshiping Jesus as if he were Yahweh is a sin. Go ahead, check. Google can make anyone a bible scholar. Find the text in the bible that uses the word trinity. Or, for that matter, find any text in the New Testament that states that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one entity.

You won’t. They aren’t.

This was a fabrication that came about around 200 AD. It was an attempt to pretend that Christianity is monotheism and that worshiping Jesus is not against the commandments. Unfortunately, it’s just not true. Christianity is not monotheism. Jesus is not God. And, by worshiping Jesus or the Holy Goat, you are in direct violation of commandment number 1. Yahweh is not going to be amused by this. As Exodus 20:4 says, in part, “I the LORD thy God am a jealous God”.

Personally, I wouldn’t find a jealous god to be worthy of my worship. But then, I’m an atheist. So, I’m not worried. Christians? You should be very worried indeed, at least if you really believe this stuff and are not just going through the motions.

If you find the section of the New Testament that states that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost make up a single entity (with multiple personality disorder?), feel free to post it. I’m not sure where or whether the New Testament says that it’s actually OK to worship Mary or any of the saints as lesser deities. That may exist somewhere. Though, doing so is still in direct contradiction with commandment one.

Mezuzot and Tefillin

For those who were not raised Jewish or in very close proximity to a bunch of religious Jews, this one is going to take some explanation. You may have heard the words “Hear o Israel, the Lord is God, the Lord is One”, especially if you have seen the Charlton Heston version of The Ten Commandments.

You may, however, be unaware that the Bible requires that you post these words on your doorposts and gates. Also, you must bind them on your hands and forehead as you say your daily prayers. The containers for these words, written in Hebrew on parchment for posting on your doors are called Mezuzot, singular Mezuza. The boxes containing the same words with leather straps to bind the words to your head and hands are called tefilin.

Deuteronomy 6:8-9 is very specific about this. Deut. 6:7 is equally specific about teaching these words to your children, speaking of them multiple times throughout the day, etc.

7 and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thy house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thy hand, and they shall be for frontlets between thine eyes.
9 And thou shalt write them upon the door-posts of thy house, and upon thy gates.

How often do you speak these words as God has commanded you?

Pigs & Shellfish, especially Christmas Ham & Sunday night football

The bible explicitly prohibits not only the eating of pork but even the touching of the skin. So, not only is that Christmas ham a one-way ticket to hell, but so is playing American football.

“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth
not the cud; he is unclean to you”.
“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch,
they are unclean to you.” [Leviticus 11:7-8]

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their
dead carcass.” [Deuteronomy 14:8]

A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.

The tokens of virginity

This is a pretty humorous one for those of us who don’t believe this crap. Apparently, the parents of the bride are required to keep the bloody sheet to prove that their daughter was a virgin on her wedding night. If the husband later tries to divorce the daughter claiming that she was not a virgin at her wedding, the parents are expected to produce the “tokens of virginity.” If the parents have lost these or never kept them, the daughter should be stoned to death.

Thou shalt not kill? Fuck that. She’s a harlot!

Deuteronomy 22:13-21

13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
14 and lay wanton charges against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say: ‘I took this woman, and when I came nigh to her, I found not in her the tokens of virginity’;
15 then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel’s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate.
16 And the damsel’s father shall say unto the elders: ‘I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
17 and, lo, he hath laid wanton charges, saying: I found not in thy daughter the tokens of virginity; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity.’ And they shall spread the garment before the elders of the city.
18 And the elders of that city shall take the man and chastise him.
19 And they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel; and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. {S}
20 But if this thing be true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the damsel;
21 then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die; because she hath wrought a wanton deed in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house; so shalt thou put away the evil from the midst of thee.

Yes, it’s true that Jesus did go against this little bit with the whole, “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” thing. But, did he really have the authority to change this? He’s not Yahweh after all. Still though, perhaps I should leave this one alone. It’s a change I like. But, do we get to choose the parts of the bible we like over those we don’t? Tough call. If we get to choose, then why hate homosexuals? Why not support gay marriage? That’s Old Testament crap too. If we can give up on stoning harlots, why not support equal rights for the LBGT community?

Observance of Passover

Exodus 12:14 commands that you follow the ritual celebration of passover forever. When did that stop?

14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial, and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD; throughout your generations ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; howbeit the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses; for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
16 And in the first day there shall be to you a holy convocation, and in the seventh day a holy convocation; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done by you.
17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt; therefore shall ye observe this day throughout your generations by an ordinance for ever.
18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.
19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses; for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a sojourner, or one that is born in the land.
20 Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread.’ {P}

Is there really something in the New Testament that actively contradicts this mandate from Exodus? I’ve never heard of it. Feel free to post it if I’ve missed that.

Circumcision

Genesis 17:10-14 states that all males must be circumcised. Many Christians these days are circumcised. However, this is usually because the parents feel it is cleaner, not because of any religious reasons. So, as I understand only be hearsay, many Christians are not circumcised.

If you are a Christian and believe in the Bible, check your dick? Got foreskin? Better reach for the knife. Remember, Genesis is the same book of the Bible that makes a whole lot of people doubt evolution and the big bang theory. Wanna stick by this book? Get the knife, grab hold of your dick, and ….

10 This is My covenant, which ye shall keep, between Me and you and thy seed after thee: every male among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of a covenant betwixt Me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every male throughout your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any foreigner, that is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised; and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken My covenant.’

Points

What are my points and reasons for writing this obviously antagonistic, condescending, disrespectful, and controversial post?

1. This is what it feels like when Christians tell non-Christians that they will burn in hell. I find it quite amusing to point this out precisely because I’ve had Christians at various points in my life tell me that I was going to burn in hell for not accepting Jesus. But, the truth of the matter is quite different, as I have detailed above. Christians are in direct violation of some very important parts of the Bible.

2. Since all Christians choose to ignore large swaths of the Bible, why not let others choose which bits to ignore for themselves? Personally, I choose to ignore the whole fucking thing.

3. By pointing out that Christians are in violation of the Bible every single day, I hope to get Christians to see that legislating based on the Bible is likely to be a huge mistake for Christians. It’s likely to take away your Christmas Ham and your ornate churches and your crosses and other graven images as well as American football, no great losses for me here.

So, the most important point is to keep your Bible away from the laws of the land as the founders of this once-great non-nation intended. Were we to legislate from the Bible, Christianity would be outlawed.

52 Responses to Why Christians Will Burn In Hell

  1. BTW, of course this list is far from exhaustive. It’s just a bunch of stuff I came up with off the top of my head. Feel free to add to the list or to dispute any of my claims as you see fit.

  2. The Expulsion Of Gods says:

    Hi all!

    (Background)

    – And many like to cite genesis as the story of the beginning of the universe and our species. –

    Yes. And it seems they couldn’t even force themselves to partake in keeping the story of the (genesis myth) consistent.
    Here. You can examine that horseshit for yourself.

    (Contradiction 1)

    –And god said, let there be light:and there was light. And god saw the light, that it was good:and god divided the light from the darkness. And god called the light day, and the darkness he called night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.–
    (Genesis 1: 3-5)

    –And god made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And god set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth.–
    (Genesis 1: 16-17)

    So, here we have a king or high priest trying to describe how they think everything was made. And thinking that some (magic man) in the clouds had created day and night on the first day and then their version of their greatest heroe of (might and magic) then goes on to make the stars and the two great lights (Sun and Moon) on the forth day.
    (Genesis 1: 19)

    Question
    How can one even have a day or night without a star?
    Umm…I don’t think the universe even works in the manor they’ve describe, unless of course, this universe holds such a heroe of magic.
    Fowl, god!

    (Contradiction 2)

    – And (blue unicorn) made the beast of the earth after his kind: and cattle after their kind, and everything that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and (blue unicorn) saw that that it was good. And (blue unicorn) said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…”–
    (Genesis 1: 25-26)

    – And the loon (blue unicorn) said, “it is not good that the man should be alone; I will make an help meet for him. (Ahuh, George!) ”
    And out of the ground the Loon (blue unicorn) formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air..–
    (Genesis 2: 18-19)

    What an utter load of Bird droppings!
    The first account sets man as being created (after) the beasts, and the second account has man being created (before) the beasts. (Nice how they tend to overlook those parts.)
    Only a person of warped and blind faith would believe in such an outright lie.
    Fowl 2!

    (Contradiction 3)

    –So (blue unicorn) created man in his own image, (must’ve been drunk) in the image of (blue unicorn) created he him; male and female created he them.–
    (Genesis 1: 27)

    –And the loon (blue unicorn) caused a deep sleep to fall upon (ahh-damn-it!,) and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; and the rib, which the Loon (blue unicorn) had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.–
    (Genesis 2: 21-22)

    The first account has the (blue unicorn) creating male and female simultaneously, in the (blue unicorn’s) image. But, in the second account (ahh-damn-it) gets created from the dust in (Genesis 2: 7). And then later, a woman came from one of (ahh-damn-it’s) ribs.
    What a load of rubbish!
    Fowl 3! And end of game!

    This proves (beyond any shadow of doubt) that the authors of genesis had no concept about the real structure of the universe, or could they even tell the difference between stars or planets for that matter.

    • You’ve pointed out some great quotes in this. I especially like that Gen 1:26 that you cited again later. Let us who??!!? Who else was Yahweh discussing this with? We are made in the image of an imaginary being with imaginary friends? That’s now meta-imaginary or something. I don’t even have a word for this level of complete and utter horseshit.

      I would point out though that the purpose of this post was not to find contradictions in the bible, of which there are a great many. My point here is to say that if the bible were the law of the land, Christianity would be outlawed for the many ways in which Christianity as a religion and Christians in particular as it’s followers violate the law of the bible.

      So, it seems to me that Christians have a very powerful vested interest in living in a secular nation so that they can practice the customs they choose, so long as they do not hurt anyone or infringe upon the rights of others, so that they can enter Hell in the manner of their choosing.

      • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

        I love the second and third paragraphs, and christians should heed the warning.

        Thanks for the compliments Scott.

      • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

        Meta-imaginary? No.

        Meta-drivel.

  3. The Expulsion Of Gods says:

    Oh, btw. I really hate my father now.
    Fucking prick!

  4. The Expulsion Of Gods says:

    There’s one more point I’d like to add, please?

    –And (Blue Unicorn) said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…”

    This is a clear indication that there are multiple gods at work here, and not just a singular (Blue Unicorn.

    Later, Scott. Gotta go have that pissing contest with my father.

    • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

      Hi Scott,

      I just have to share this.

      –Now I know that the Loon is greater than all gods; for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them.”
      (Exodus 18: 11)

      Polytheism anyone?

      • To my knowledge, only Islam states, “There is no god but God” as a commandment, though really it’s more of a statement. In the O.T., it’s usually translated as “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” which clearly acknowledges that there are other gods.

        Hmm…. If a person believes there are other gods but worships just one, is it monotheism? I really don’t know.

        (dictionary break)

        http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/monotheism

        mon·o·the·ism noun
        the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

        That answers that. No. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic religion is not monotheistic. No sect of it is. Even though Islam has it “right” on the first commandment, they talk about Satan rather a lot. What is Satan if not another god? And, Satan is a god that the other one can’t get rid of, so is of roughly equal power.

        Judaism dodges the Satan bullet, no devil or hell in Judaism, to my knowledge. But, as you point out, clearly there are other gods. Yahweh is not alone, according to Judaism. He is the lord of lords and king of kings. He’s merely top dog/god, not the sole god.

      • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

        This was something I pointed out to my father. ((If there are no other gods then there would be no reference of other gods in the bible. Clearly there is.)) I asked, why would this god be so childlike? Must he have so much human emotion? And why is god so full of hatred?

        Additionally, god would never have to be a jealous god because there simply wouldn’t be any other gods.

        When pointing this out to my father’s surprise, low and behold, he went through the roof.

      • Fastest road to atheism begins with reading the bible. Many Catholics actually do and somehow maintain their belief. Most of the people of faith to whom I’ve spoken, hardly a representative sample, haven’t actually read the bible. One friend of a friend took a bible as literature course in college and dropped it because it was shaking her faith.

        Pointing out the passages of the bible that people don’t want to know about is unlikely to be popular with anyone. No one of faith wants to hear about the multiple gods, the seduction of a father by his two daughters, destruction of cities with instructions to “leave nothing alive that breaths”, or all the rest of the horrific bits of the bible.

        Unfortunately, your father’s response doesn’t surprise me nearly as much as it should. A father who cares and really believes should be prepared for such a discussion and at least attempt to be persuasive. A father who cares and has had his brain only minimally polluted should be sympathetic to doubt, the same doubt Thomas Aquinas felt.

      • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

        –Fastest road to atheism begins with reading the bible.–

        That is so true.
        It is what started me on my journey towards atheism. Not to mention my father’s hatred for others who weren’t christian.

        –Many catholics actually do and somehow maintain their belief.–

        If on has been conditioned since infancy; then it’s very hard to expel it from the individuals life.
        Your friends will undoubtedly try and talk you away from your calling, and the priest will likely try and double-talk his way around your intellect to discourage it, and drive you away from the truth. But, it was my father. Yes. My father’s hatred of others who wasn’t like him. My pastor, who also had shown hate for his fellow man. It didn’t matter. Atheist, you’re going to hell! Christians; oh um…(christians) who don’t believe as I do, are going to hell!
        This I knew was wrong…and is what broke me away from that horrible and pathetic religion.

        I started to read the book, saw many contradictions to include but not limited to what my father and pastor was saying.

      • A mind is a terrible thing.

        Or, at least it’s terrible for religion.

      • A little learning is a dangerous thing;
        Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
        There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
        And drinking largely sobers us again.

        – Alexander Pope

  5. The Expulsion Of Gods says:

    Ahhhhh! I feel better now.

  6. I’m sorry to hear that you are having such trouble with the memory of your father. Good luck getting past this in whatever way works for you and moving on with your life.

    By the way, the unicorn I worship is green. And, my unicorn can kick your unicorn’s ass.

    • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

      I attended the reading of the Will, and was very disappointed to learn that I was left with nothing. My uncle (as he and his siblings got everything) said that he’s coming over tomorrow to discuss this with me because he feels that my father had been very unjust with me, and my uncle said that he will try to rectify this situation.

      When learning that I was left with an old rusted hulk of a car that doesn’t have an engine, I knew that this was a representation of what I was worth to my father.
      I thought to myself, “now there’s a fine christian attitude for ya. Really? And after all the devotion, time and effort I’ve put into this? And that’s the thanks I get? And without thinking, I then said aloud, “fucking prick!” Only to then look up to see that all eyes were upon me. I then said, “my apologies.” And calmly walked out the door. I didn’t feel there was any use in me being there anymore.

      • If I can gently make a suggestion, there are professional grief counselors who help people deal with grief every day. Many people, very naturally, feel anger at a lost loved one, even if only for leaving when they did. You have extra issues with your Dad’s non-acceptance of you as an atheist. It may be of help to you to seek out a social worker or other specialist in grief who may be able to help you deal with feelings and situations that may be a lot more common than you realize.

        Just my $0.02.

      • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

        It’s okay, Scott. It’s okay.

        My uncle came today instead of coming tomorrow, and we’ve had a discussion about various issues in my being left out of my father’s Will.

        He said that I can have the house, property, and all therein. To include anything on said property. He will be keeping the business that my father had, and I can come work for him for as long as I like. He said that I’ll have to work my way up, and I said that moving through the ranks was never a problem for me in my current job. And as soon as things get finalized, I’ll have work.

        He said that I’ll be starting in 3 weeks.

        He has no idea how that made me feel. Thanks uncle Marty.

        Scott, I’ve been seeing a psychologist for a while now to help ease my pain, and it is helping.

        And I’m still very grateful for the help I’ve received from my doctors here at this fine blog.

        Doctors Scott, bobbo and Stix.
        To you three, I give a big (thank you!) You’re forever my friends.

      • I’m glad to hear things are going well, or at least a whole lot better. If I’ve been any help to you, I’m glad. I’m far from a professional and am never really sure whether I’m saying the right thing, just what feels right to me.

      • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

        –If I’ve been any help to you, I’m glad.–

        You’ve given me more therapy then you realize, Scott. And it’s very much appreciated. I know that at times I’ve quite probably been an irritation, but I’m glad that I have friends and family that have never given up on me…and that means everything to me.
        Everything in the world.

        –I’m far from a professional and am never really sure whether I’m saying the right thing, just what feels right to me.–

        Scott, what you’ve been saying works. You show a caring attitude and compassion for your fellow humans. Please, by all means. (Keep saying it.)

    • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

      -By the way, the unicorn I worship is green. And, my unicorn can kick your unicorn’s ass.

      Kick my unicorn’s ass?

      Don’t look now, but I the that green pile of what used to be your unicorn seems to have a very pungent odor now. PU!

      You see, if my Blue Unicorn polishes his horn, out comes his magical unicorn mayonnaise. And that is how yours has changed from a unicorn, into a steaming green pile of donkey dumplings.

      And my unicorn is a representation of our blue marble. What does yours represent?

      • What does my green unicorn represent? Nothing. It’s just no sillier than any other theology. But, if I’m going to back fill meaning into a random color choice I made just to have two unicorn mock-religions with mock-followers mock-fighting over their competing silly unicornologies to parallel what happens with most other religions, then my green unicorn (who has, by the way, now risen from the dead even more powerful than before) represents the earth as well, after the color the sky becomes green. This will happen when we have 6 degrees Celsius of warming, or now 4.8 more than we already have and just 4 more than we are already committed by the effects of the CO2 already in the atmosphere.

        The book is called “Under A Green Sky” by Peter Ward.

        He was the scientist who proved the Alvarez hypothesis of cometary impact 65.3 million years ago. Expecting to find other impacts at times of mass extinctions, he went looking for the causes of the others. All, except the most recent, were caused by a warmer planet, which supports less life than a cooler one.

        250 million years ago the ocean conveyer current stopped. The oceans (really one planetary ocean, as we have now) became anoxic (no or little oxygen). Nearly all fish died. Sulfur producing bacteria bred like crazy, first in the lower portions of the ocean, then gradually approaching the surface. When the anoxic layer in the ocean reached the surface, the sulfur from the bacteria breeding there filled the atmosphere in the form of H2S (hydrogen sulfide gas, the smell of rotting eggs). This was in toxic quantities, bringing the mass extinction on to land.

        My unicorn represents the future of our planet, a mostly dead place, at least by multicellular life standards, with a sickly green sky.

        Visualize world peace? Look up on a clear night. We have a peaceful world in orbit around us. Let’s try not to make this world as peaceful as the moon.

        I’m going to go open the door to my closet and let the dragon out.

        http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm

      • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

        –My unicorn represents the future of our planet, a mostly dead place, at least by multicellular life standards, with a sickly green sky.–

        Our Earth will recover after our demise. It may take a while, but it will recover as it did in its past.

        I’ve read that earth had recovered in about 5, 000 years after it lost 70% of its plant and animal life 65 million years ago. So it won’t be completely dead…just the lifeforms that didn’t think enough for their own self-preservation.
        Our greed has always been our downfall.

        So I guess that my blue unicorn will die along with the rest of mankind.

      • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

        The only thing that has the power to extinguish all life on earth, is the Sun.

      • Actually, it was 10 million years before life began to recover from the impact 65.3 MYA. And, interestingly, the planet was in a warm period for the 10 million years from 65 – 55 MYA. It was only when the planet cooled that life began to recover.

        If we cause a P/T level extinction, as would happen with 6C warming, we will destroy 95% of all multicellular life. Tens of millions of years would be required for a recovery from such an event.

        You’re right that the planet will not be completely dead. That’s why I said “mostly dead” rather than completely dead. The dominant forms of life on the planet will definitely survive.

        The bacteria are not even threatened by us.

        There has only been one age of life on this planet. Age of fish? Age of reptiles? Age of dinosaurs? Age of mammals? Hah!!! It is, was, and will be the age of bacteria, from the dawn of life ’til the sun goes nova. BTW, even by multicellular standards, there has never been an age of mammals. Extant dinosaur species still outnumber extant mammal species 2:1.

        As for which life forms are likely to survive, consider those that survived the P/T extinction 250 MYA. Horseshoe crabs, sharks, crocodilians, nautilus, etc. will probably survive in small numbers. Large warm-blooded creatures are the least likely to survive.

        Thought won’t be much help.

      • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

        –And, interestingly, the planet was in a warning period for the 10 million years from 65 – 55 MYA.

        I’ve read about the increased volcanism the planet was undergoing, but at the same time there was a change in plant life because South America and Antarctica were separating as well as the mountains being created in North America, and in India as well. Wouldn’t this also have an effect on the climate to?

        Of course, I haven’t read anything on this recently. So I’m probably not up to date on this.

  7. The Expulsion Of Gods says:

    Hi again,

    I especially like this one…

    Graven images

    Number 3
    Thou shalt not make unto the a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
    ——————————–

    The first one.
    –Of any thing that is in heaven above–

    How can anyone know exactly what things in heaven would even looks like? I mean, for all we know god could be a gorilla, right? And this would stand because we’d still be of his, likeness?
    Wait a minute! Didn’t god just break one of his own commandments by making “graven images”?
    Stupid, Blue Unicorn.

    And, this would also be an indication that there are other gods, too.

    I can’t help that I’m a bit analytical. Sorry for that.

  8. First, analytical is a good thing. Never apologize for that on this site. I love analytical. I had hoped that this whole post was analytical.

    It doesn’t matter what things in heaven actually look like, since there is no heaven. The biblical commandment not to create such images is purely based on human interpretation of what humans think may be in heaven.

    God cannot possibly be a gorilla. Gorillas are mostly peace-loving animals. The great desert war god Yahweh most certainly is not.

    One thing I can answer though, depending on how you define “under the earth”, is how water can be there. Two possible answers, one silly the other reasonable.

    Reasonable answer: Underground aquifers, such as the Ogallala.

    Silly answer: If north is up and south is down, 75% of the fresh water on the planet is “under the earth” … on Antarctica … in a huge ice sheet up to two miles thick.

    • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

      I was thinking in their nonsensical terms of a flat earth.
      The other silly answer.

      • To play god’s advocate for a moment (harder for me than devil’s advocate):

        Certainly the world is flat, as it says in the babble. But, since we can dig to bury the dead, obviously the world has some thickness. Parts of the flat world must be floating on pools of water.

        Why not?

        We’re already postulating belief in so much that is even more bizarre, ridiculous, and delusional than this. Why not add this one more thing while we’re at it?

        I almost tossed my cookies typing this.

        Of course, for the sane among us, we know that we have numerous photos of the earth from space from multiple sources.

        It’s round, or nearly so. Oblate spheroid is the proper term since it swells a bit in the middle due to the rotation. The centripetal force is strongest at the equator.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth

        Any televangelist with $20 million can pay Russia to take them to the ISS to see the shape of the earth for themselves. Not being a televangelist, I don’t have $20 million to spare for the trip.

  9. Expulsion of Gods,

    It seems Africa and S. America began to split about 175 MYA.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea#Rifting_and_break-up

    I’m not sure what effects this had on climate. I’m sure plate tectonics does affect climate. Consider the effect of Antarctica moving toward the pole and collecting an enormous ice sheet. That must have some effect.

    My points in discussion of warm periods is not necessarily what caused them, which is interesting geologically. But, the point that it’s the warm periods that cause mass extinctions rather than the cool ones that makes the discussion so relevant to any discussion of anthropogenic climate change.

    Obviously, humans did not cause the warming 250 MYA that caused the P/T extinction.

    However, the fact that it was the warming that caused the extinction is interesting because the amount of warming was well within the range of our worst case predictions for anthropogenic climate change.

    Since we are exceeding our worst case predictions, we are at serious risk of being the cause of another P/T level extinction.

    True, the planet will recover in a geological instant, say 10 – 50 million years. But, that’s a long time in human terms. And, what that recovery means is unknown. Evolution is not predictable. It’s a near guarantee that we would not survive, certainly not in our current numbers and almost as certainly not at all, on a planet with toxic levels of hydrogen sulfide gas in the atmosphere.

    So, what will the dominant life on the planet be after the recovery? Bacteria, of course.

    What will be the dominant larger scale life? I don’t know. Perhaps it will be the hooloovoo.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_races_and_species_in_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Hooloovoo

    • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

      Misanthropic Scott,

      It seems that Africa and S. America began to split about 175 MYA.–

      Yes, but I’m talking about the southern tip of S. America separating from Antarctica. And this alone would change the oceans conveyor belt.
      I do get the point of your discussion though.

      –It’s a near guaranteethat we would not survive, certainly not in our current numbers and almost as certainly not at all, on a planet with toxic levels of hydrogen sulphide gas in the atmosphere. –

      Agreed, hole-heartedly!
      And considering we were a species that was at on time, very diverse. But now, we wouldn’t even have a chance because of that (bottleneck.)

      • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

        Betelgeusians

        A race similar to humans in many ways, from which Ford Perfect is established.–

        Very entertaining. LMAO!

  10. Expulsion of Gods,

    If you like that you should read the whole 5 book trilogy that is the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, available in a single leather bound book with a bonus story that I’ve never read called a Salmon of a Doubt.

    It’s generally under Science Fiction but is really SF humor.

    Many were increasingly of the opinion that they’d all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans.
    And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small café in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.
    Sadly, however, before she could get to a phone to tell anyone about it, the Earth was unexpectedly demolished to make way for a new hyperspace bypass, and so the idea was lost, seemingly for ever.
    This is not her story.

    The fourth book in the trilogy starts out exactly the same way as the first, above, except that the fourth book “is her story.”

    Have you noticed that all great science fiction trilogies have at least 5 books?

    • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

      Misanthropic Scott,

      I’m ordering it most definitely!
      It seems to be an entertaining read, and thanks a million for the information as don’t have very much in science fiction at my disposal.

      And it has never dawned on me that “all great science fiction trilogies have at least 5 books.”
      5? Did they have the bible in mind?

      I could never really get into “A New Hope” or any of the “Star Wars” trilogies because of its religious overtones and magical horseshit. To much in the realm of fantasy for my taste.

      I do wonder how Luke got his powers though.
      Perhaps he polished the (horn) of the Blue Unicorn and got covered in magical mayonnaise?

      Sorry, but I just couldn’t resist.

  11. And it has never dawned on me that “all great science fiction trilogies have at least 5 books.” 5? Did they have the bible in mind?

    No. They did not have the bible in mind. However, it i$ po$$ible that they had the $ame goal a$ the author$ of the bible. Once the trilogy is $ucce$$ful, why not add to the prophet$ … I mean profit$.

    IMHO, Star Wars is fantasy, not science fiction, for exactly the reasons you state. None of it is technology with explanations based on science hypotheses that may one day turn out to be true and useful. It is all magic. Further, just like Tolkien and other fantasy stories, there is a hard line between good and evil to go with all of that magic. It’s just fantasy set in space.

    Wait … the horn spurts when you rub it? Are you sure you’ve got the right part of the unicorn?

    • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

      I love the hints you’ve provided. ($)
      Beautiful!

      Gotcha on the fantasy aspects of star wars.

      –Wait…the horn spurts when you rub it? Are you sure you’ve got the right part of the unicorn?–

      I was wondering when you’d notice that. LMAO!
      Why yes, that part is on his head, and is the chief source of all his magic.

  12. The Expulsion Of Gods says:

    If the mind is not bound by the repetitious gate of religion; then it can flow in the waters of truth.

    Its beauty lives in the trees of impartiality; and can journey beyond the skies of Earth to gather the nectar from the flowers of reality.

    Troy

  13. Troy,

    Very poetic. Yes. I agree. Reality is far more beautiful than any mythology we’ve ever dreamed up.

    It’s also funny that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religion likes to masquerade itself as monotheism, which we’ve now shown that it isn’t. But, even more importantly, if the idea of one god is considered to be so much better in some way than many gods, is not the idea of zero gods infinitely better than one?

    • The Expulsion Of Gods says:

      –Is not the idea of zero gods infinitely better than one?–

      Religion was invented for the necessity of the crown. Their aim is to control all thoughts and conquer the mind to enslave the individual from any independent thought of their own.
      It is for obedience without question, and for the service of wealth as you are required by their imaginary god to relinquish 10% of your earnings to their church. It is for sexual pleasure and wars.
      It is the poison of humanity.

      To kill a god then one only need to leave the bondage of religion, and throw that book into a real lake of fire and brimstone.

      Thank you for the compliments, Scott.
      I’m very glad that I’ve been able to contribute to this blog, even if in a small way.

  14. Humorously, it turns out there is sort of a mention of the trinity in the bible. Listen to how it got there.

    If this is the literal word of God, who gets to edit it and add words?

  15. Jeff says:

    Oh cool… atheist and diabetic :)

  16. mystywoods says:

    The guy with the tattoo reminding himself not to ‘fuck dudes’ forgot that the bible says “Love they fellow man”. Re worshiping idols: As an ex-Catholic (I prefer to call myself a survivor of Catholicism), we were made to kneel in front of all sorts of idols and pray to them. The worst part was, as a small child, having to look at a life-sized statue of a tortured half naked and ‘bleeding’ man nailed to a crucifix. This is child abuse to say the least. I wonder how many people realise that we worship a torture stake; an implement designed to torture a sentient being to death! Yet we wear them around our necks on chains, we kneel in front of these torture stakes in churches, people of the cloth wear them at the end of their rosary beads, and xians proudly place them on top of their places of worship. A crucifix! If guillotines were invented in the time of Jesus and one was used to kill the man, would we all be worshiping guillotines? Would guillotines be mounted on top of churches? I don’t get that people worship the implement used to kill Jesus (if he existed), or any other person.

  17. mystywoods says:

    Australia has now got a new conservative Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, who has affiliations with the Catholic cult Opus Dei. He is a rosary rattling fundamentalist who many have nicknamed The Mad Monk, as he once trained to become a priest. Sadly, with Friar Abbott (priest wannabe) at the helm there will be no chance of separation of Church and State in this country for some time.

  18. I just saw this on facebook and thought it was relevant to this conversation.

    Courtesy Licking Calcutta.

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